标题: 不用讨论有没有越位了，来看FIFA规则解释——防守方主动头球失误不造成越位 [打印本页] 作者: del918 时间: 2015-6-5 13:08 标题: 不用讨论有没有越位了，来看FIFA规则解释——防守方主动头球失误不造成越位 不用讨论有没有越位了，来看FIFA规则解释——防守方主动头球失误不造成越位 由 del918 发表 资料来自 Interpretation of the Laws of the Game by FIFA —— Offsidehttp://garcia-aranda.com/offsideifab/eng003.html
[color=]解释1——Rebound 越位
[color=]解释2——Deliberate Save 越位
[color=]解释3——Deliberate Header 不越位
[color=]解释4——Deflect
[color=]越位
[color=]解释5——Deliberate Play
[color=]不越位
针对回帖中的案例6和案例8比较，其实案例8判罚越位的依据和防守队员头球后蹭没有任何关系，FIFA解释的很清楚：White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence. 在越位位置干扰门将
FIFA越位规则科普：判罚越位有2个条件，处在越位位置+参与进攻关于参与进攻，又分为三种情况：-干扰球 interfere with play-干扰对方队员 interfere with an opponent-在越位位置获利 gain an advantage by being in the offside position
关于防守队员是主动回传还是折射，是在第三条“获利”上文案例8的判罚依据是第二条“干扰对方队员”
[ 此帖被del918在2015-06-05 17:07修改 ]作者: C.Abbiati 时间: 2015-6-5 15:29
楼主，如果是越位位置上的进攻队员（不是后来进球的那个）在球传出时对后卫争抢，但没碰到球，导致后卫失误，算是越位吗作者: bati_GOAL 时间: 2015-6-5 15:35
说实在的布拉特上任以后，
FIFA的规则就变得各种模糊
转个别人的FIFA2013年越位修正案中的视频案例，案例6和案例8就已经有点冲突了
案例1：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148672.html]
Yellow 4 in an offside position is penalised for playing or touching the ball that is played to him from a deliberate save by the goalkeeper having been in an offside position when the ball was last touched or is played by a team-mate (yellow 23). Offside offence.
简单说就是队友射门的时候补射球员是处在越位位置的，门将扑球之后他在触球就视为越位位置获益。
案例2：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148675.html]
The shot by a team-mate (blue 18) is deflected by an opponent (red/white 35) to attacker (blue 7) who is penalised for playing or touching the ball having previously been in an offside position. Offside offence.
队友射门打在防守队员身上(这个案例是腿)折射，越位位置获益。
案例3：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148676.html]
White 20 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue/red 21), who [/color=red]deliberately plays the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
队友传球被对方后卫铲球破坏到自己脚下，不算越位。
案例4：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148671.html]
The shot by a team-mate (blue 18) is deflected by an opponent (white 35) to attacker (blue 7) who is penalised for playing or touching the ball having previously been in an offside position. Offside offence.
队友射门被对方防守队员头部折射(原文如此，看了视频会觉得这球是进攻队员试图挑球结果碰到后卫头部折射)，越位位置获益。
此案例对鲁能这个球有一定的参照价值
案例5：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148678.html]
White 7 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (Red 15) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball. Offside offence.
越位位置的球员参与争顶干扰对方后卫/和对方有身体接触，越位位置获益。
案例6：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148674.html]
Yellow 12 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue 33), who deliberately headed the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
这个球也是很接近鲁能的案例的，队友长传时，接球队员是处在越位位置的，然而中途对方后卫后蹭了一下，所以不判越位。
案例7：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html]
Blue 16 in an offside position runs towards the ball but he does not prevent the opponent (white 2) from playing or being able to play the ball. Blue 16 is not challenging an opponent (white 2) for the ball. No offside offence.
队友传球对方后卫直接乌龙，虽然蓝色16号在越位位置并且跑向球，但他并未干扰对方后卫触球，也没有身体接触，不判越位。
案例8(MD看到最后终于有了最接近鲁能这球的案例)：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148677.html]
White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence.
直接任意球，防守队员头球后蹭到，白色11号在越位位置获益，判为越位。
总结一下的话，案例8我个人认为最适合用来解释鲁能这个球判罚的案例，场景最接近，直接任意球，中途有防守队员起跳头部触球且基本没有改变球运行的方向，进攻球员越位位置获益，吹罚越位。当然案例6似乎支持了相反的观点，但是以案例相似度而言，我个人倾向于案例8更接近鲁能这球的情况。作者: jash123 时间: 2015-6-5 15:39
8和6的区别在哪？传球时的距离？ 作者: abba1 时间: 2015-6-5 15:39
deliberate save和 deliberately play是怎么区分的呢？觉得这点比较重要。作者: 在7区 时间: 2015-6-5 15:40 引用2楼 @bati_GOAL 发表的:
案例8(MD看到最后终于有了最接近鲁能这球的案例)：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148677.html]
White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence.
直接任意球，防守队员头球后蹭到，白色11号在越位位置获益，判为越位。
总结一下的话，案例8我个人认为最适合用来解释鲁能这个球判罚的案例，场景最接近，直接任意球，中途有防守队员起跳头部触球且基本没有改变球运行的方向，进攻球员越位位置获益，吹罚越位。当然案例6似乎支持了相反的观点，但是以案例相似度而言，我个人倾向于案例8更接近鲁能这球的情况。
没错，规则里对 Interfering with an opponent 有补充说明
“making a gesture or movement which,
[color=] in the opinion
[color=]of the referee
, deceives or distracts an opponent
the opponent must be reasonably close to the play so that the blocking, deceiving or distracting makes a
difference”
所以说这个是见仁见智的问题。。
也就是上面所说的 in the opinion of the referee作者: 活火 时间: 2015-6-5 16:43
有时候主动和被动是很难区分的，规则应该具有客观明确性尽量避免模糊的主观猜测。比如说凡是传球被对方后卫触碰过的，无论主观或客观动作，都应判罚不越位。作者: psp6102 时间: 2015-6-5 16:44 引用15楼 @del918 发表的:
案例1：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148672.html]
Yellow 4 in an offside position is penalised for playing or touching the ball that is played to him from a deliberate save by the goalkeeper having been in an offside position when the ball was last touched or is played by a team-mate (yellow 23). Offside offence.
简单说就是队友射门的时候补射球员是处在越位位置的，门将扑球之后他在触球就视为越位位置获益。
案例2：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148675.html]
The shot by a team-mate (blue 18) is deflected by an opponent (red/white 35) to attacker (blue 7) who is penalised for playing or touching the ball having previously been in an offside position. Offside offence.
队友射门打在防守队员身上(这个案例是腿)折射，越位位置获益。
案例3：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148676.html]
White 20 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue/red 21), who [/color=red]deliberately plays the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
队友传球被对方后卫铲球破坏到自己脚下，不算越位。
案例4：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148671.html]
The shot by a team-mate (blue 18) is deflected by an opponent (white 35) to attacker (blue 7) who is penalised for playing or touching the ball having previously been in an offside position. Offside offence.
队友射门被对方防守队员头部折射(原文如此，看了视频会觉得这球是进攻队员试图挑球结果碰到后卫头部折射)，越位位置获益。
此案例对鲁能这个球有一定的参照价值
案例5：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148678.html]
White 7 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (Red 15) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball. Offside offence.
越位位置的球员参与争顶干扰对方后卫/和对方有身体接触，越位位置获益。
案例6：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148674.html]
Yellow 12 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue 33), who deliberately headed the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
这个球也是很接近鲁能的案例的，队友长传时，接球队员是处在越位位置的，然而中途对方后卫后蹭了一下，所以不判越位。
案例7：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html]
Blue 16 in an offside position runs towards the ball but he does not prevent the opponent (white 2) from playing or being able to play the ball. Blue 16 is not challenging an opponent (white 2) for the ball. No offside offence.
队友传球对方后卫直接乌龙，虽然蓝色16号在越位位置并且跑向球，但他并未干扰对方后卫触球，也没有身体接触，不判越位。
案例8(MD看到最后终于有了最接近鲁能这球的案例)：
[http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148677.html]
White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence.
直接任意球，防守队员头球后蹭到，白色11号在越位位置获益，判为越位。
完全两码事！！！！
案例8是在越位位置干扰门将，和人墙有没有头球蹭到无关
看文字，preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball
完全两码事！！！！
案例8是在越位位置干扰门将，和人墙有没有头球蹭到无关
看文字，preventing the opponent[B] (GK) [/B]from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball
所以鲁能越位球员如果有和贵州球员的在空中有接触影响到其顶球动作是为干扰，但从视频里没有。作者: leghorn00 时间: 2015-6-5 18:46
不用扯那么多，越位判罚核心精神就两点：
1、攻方球员处在越位位置，硬指标。
2、处在越位位置的球员利用越位位置获利，强调主动性。案例6不判是因为越位获利是由于守方失误造成的，是被动获利。
规则里关于干扰防守的描述：“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s
line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball 处于越位位置的球员主动去冲抢皮球也是属于越位的，所以鲁能这个球开出来的时候已经越位了，后面谁顶的，谁补的，乃至是不是乌龙都不重要。
