标题: 经过本人反复查阅研究文字视频等资料，个人认为鲁能该进球不越位（更新规则解读） [打印本页] 作者: yourxxde 时间: 2015-6-8 18:54 标题: 经过本人反复查阅研究文字视频等资料，个人认为鲁能该进球不越位（更新规则解读） 经过本人反复查阅研究文字视频等资料，个人认为鲁能该进球不越位（更新规则解读） 由 yourxxde 发表
干扰对手“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by 1.clearly obstructing the opponent’s
line of vision or 2.challenging an opponent for the ball 一定要注意preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball，只要没有阻止或妨碍对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html
从越位位置获得利益里的其中一条条款A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered
to have gained an advantage参考这个视频，贵州队员属于deliberately playshttp://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148674.html
干扰对手“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by 1.clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or 2.challenging an opponent for the ball 一定要注意preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball，只要没有阻止对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html
同意不应该围攻，但这球的确是错判
干扰对手
“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball
by
1.clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
or
2.challenging an opponent for the ball
一定要注意preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball，只要没有阻止对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。
参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html作者: yourxxde 时间: 2015-6-10 21:02 引用32楼 @水淹solo7军A 发表的:
并不是主动去做踢球的动作就是蓄意，‘DTP’的蓄意和蓄意杀人的蓄意是不同的。为什么要你参考回传守门员的判罚呢？后卫解围踢呲了，守门员用手拿球是不会判间接任意球的。但是按你对蓄意的理解，后卫踢呲了他也是蓄意的去踢球的啊，那也得判守门员违例？
干扰对手
“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball
by
1.clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
or
2.challenging an opponent for the ball
一定要注意preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball，只要没有阻止对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。
参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html作者: 水淹solo7军A 时间: 2015-6-10 22:30 引用29楼 @sxflvmacui 发表的:
去看看法国对比利时的比赛，费莱尼进的第一个球，看看国际裁判怎么判罚
去看了一下，还真是个错判。进攻方远射打在自己队友腿上边线弹到越位队员脚下，这是个越位球。 作者: 魔术师的红茶 时间: 2015-6-11 10:54 引用42楼 @yourxxde 发表的:
干扰对手
“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball
by
1.clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
or
2.challenging an opponent for the ball
一定要注意preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball，只要没有阻止对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。
参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html
感谢楼主的科普,使我对越位规则有了进一步的理解
但是再这里还是要探讨一下规则
主要是裁判在把握这个clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision 这个度的时候
比如下面3个近年吹罚越位犯规的截图,很明显越位位置的进攻队员并没有直接干扰到守门员的视线
1 英超西汉宋抽射破门可惜队员干扰门将视频地址
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规则中preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball是主句，by后面是指通过什么方式。也就是说鲁能球员只要没有阻止或妨碍门将’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰门将。现实中鲁能球员并没有阻止或妨碍门将’‘触球或可能触到球’‘。简单来说就是某处于越位位置的球员有没有阻止或妨碍对方球员’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，‘’阻止或妨碍‘’的方式有明显的视线干扰或争抢球
你觉得他俩类似，我不觉得他俩类似，这就是问题，我认为完全没有参考性。
我认为这是一个在对方球员干扰之下的解围失败，他不是故意顶成这种效果的，从始至终他都没有机会按照他的意愿控制皮球，其他的鲁能球员（不只是赵明剑）对他形成了干扰。
你把play the ball翻译成了“触到皮球”，这是不对的，触球用touch，就像判断界外球的规则当中使用的判断规则。在这里，防守球员受到四面八方的越位球员的干烧，根本就没有play the ball，完全就是随便一顶，这个时候已经越位了。
看看这两个fifa官网案例视频的评语
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148676.html
White 20 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue/red 21), who deliberately plays the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-gaining-advantage-2148674.htmlYellow 12 in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent (Blue 33), who deliberately headed the ball, is not considered to have gained an advantage. No offside offence.
两个球都不是防守球员想产生的后果，但都被判定为deliberately plays。也就是说deliberately plays不是效果论。
规则中preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball是主句，by后面是指通过什么方式。也就是说鲁能球员只要没有阻止或妨碍门将’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰门将。现实中鲁能球员并没有阻止或妨碍门将’‘触球或可能触到球’‘。
简单来说就是某处于越位位置的球员有没有阻止或妨碍对方球员’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，‘’阻止或妨碍‘’的方式有明显的视线干扰或争抢球
请认真看看规则原文，这一句是主句，才是最重要的。
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball
阻止或妨碍对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，鲁能球员没有阻止或妨碍贵州球员顶球，也没有阻止或妨碍贵州守门员击球触球再极端点来说，鲁能球员即使干扰了门将视线也没事，如果门将根本不可能触到球的话。因为preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball 才是主句
官方评语：White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence.
fifa认为这种算是preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball
回到你说的问题，本方射门后，本方球员在离对方守门员较远距离时影响视线为什么算犯规呢？
正正是因为符合preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball啊，因为球向球门打去，守门员将会playing or being able to play the ball，而本方球员影响视线时就属于preventing了而鲁能这球从开出直至贵州球员deliberately plays这一时间段里，守门员在没有出击的情况下没有playing or being able to play the bal的可能l（球并不打向球门）
没有阻止或妨碍对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，就不构成干扰。
参考这个视频，赵明剑不构成干扰对手
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148670.html
fifa评价：Blue 16 in an offside position runs towards the ball but he does not prevent the opponent (white 2) from playing or being able to play the ball. Blue 16 is not challenging an opponent (white 2) for the ball. No offside offence.
赵明剑和蓝衣16的行为是极为相似的，两者没有阻止或妨碍对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，他们都是在“等”球，都是在尝试等待对方失误，赵明剑的顶球动作是为了捕捉对方失误后可能出现的机会，而不是去“阻止或妨碍”对方解围作者: 魔术师的红茶 时间: 2015-6-11 15:13 引用54楼 @yourxxde 发表的:
fifa评价：Blue 16 in an offside position runs towards the ball but he does not prevent the opponent (white 2) from playing or being able to play the ball. Blue 16 is not challenging an opponent (white 2) for the ball. No offside offence.
赵明剑和蓝衣16的行为是极为相似的，两者没有阻止或妨碍对方’‘触球或可能触到球’‘，他们都是在“等”球，都是在尝试等待对方失误，赵明剑的顶球动作是为了捕捉对方失误后可能出现的机会，而不是去“阻止或妨碍”对方解围
守门员是否干扰可以参考这个视频
http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148677.html
鲁能这球不是射门而是传递，球传来的过程中，守门员并没有因为赵明剑的顶球动作而preventing他playing or being able to play the ball（击球接球或可能出来击球或接球）
另外判断属于什么情况我都是用fifa官方案例，并不是我的纯粹判断http://www.fifa.com/development/videos/y=2013/m=8/video=amendments-the-laws-the-game-2013-2014-law-offside-interfering-with-oppo-2148677.html
官方评语：White 11 in an offside position runs towards the ball preventing the opponent (GK) from playing or being able to play the ball by challenging the opponent for the ball.Offside offence.
如果贵州门将出击后受到赵明剑影响击球接球才算被干扰
